The Cairn brings you real conversations with people navigating real challenges. From digital transformation in tertiary education to AI strategy to digital health. We sit down with those steering their industries forward.
Each episode explores how leaders think about the future, how AI and technology can meaningfully contribute to organisational outcomes, and what it takes to balance people, process, and technology in a rapidly shifting landscape. Practical thinking. Real outcomes.

High Use, Low Trust: What a Trust-Builder Makes of New Zealand's AI Problem
Ben Walker Ben Walker

High Use, Low Trust: What a Trust-Builder Makes of New Zealand's AI Problem

The AI Forum's latest Blueprint calls it high-use, low-trust: New Zealanders use AI constantly and believe in it less than almost anyone. I sat down with Sanel Tomlinson, who's spent thirty years getting people to trust things they can't check for themselves, to work out how trust in AI actually gets built.

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High-use, low-trust: what the new AI Blueprint really means for New Zealand business
Ben Walker Ben Walker

High-use, low-trust: what the new AI Blueprint really means for New Zealand business

Four numbers in the Blueprint every NZ business owner should read twice:

2.7% of our workforce are AI practitioners with embedded workflows.
97% are using AI superficially or not at all.
79% of employers don't know how to train their team.
90% expect to be using AI by 2028.

๐Ÿ“ก The gap between "we use it" and "we use it well" is the whole story.

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The Plausibility Trap: Why AI-Written Strategy Looks Right Until You Try to Use It
Ben Walker Ben Walker

The Plausibility Trap: Why AI-Written Strategy Looks Right Until You Try to Use It

"People don't really put the truth on the internet. When you really discover the useful insights is when you actually have conversations with the manager who was implementing that strategy or doing that thing. You'll hear all about the challenges that were faced, what really happened behind the scenes, some really exciting wins that they weren't able to put in the report or some big challenges."

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Humans First: how 100 managers wrote their own AI principles
Ben Walker Ben Walker

Humans First: how 100 managers wrote their own AI principles

At the start of the morning one manager told me he doesn't do AI. Not interested. By midday he'd downloaded ChatGPT and was excited to give it a go. What 100 community services managers taught me about putting people before technology in an AI workshop.

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There's No Right Way to Do the Wrong Thing: Scott Arrol on Trust, Ecosystem Leadership, and What Digital Health Can Teach Us All
Ben Walker Ben Walker

There's No Right Way to Do the Wrong Thing: Scott Arrol on Trust, Ecosystem Leadership, and What Digital Health Can Teach Us All

A conversation with Scott Arrol about what it really takes to build trust and collaboration across a complex health ecosystem. Scott's career spans more than two decades across health, disability, community services, and technology. He moved from business ownership into health leadership at Radius Health Group and Kindercare, spent five years running community services at Healthcare of New Zealand, then led NZHIT for nearly seven years where he turned it into the peak body for NZ's digital health sector. From there he was chief executive at Dementia NZ and then MND NZ, before returning to HiNZ as conference programme director and then interim CEO for 12 months. He's now a Life Member of HiNZ and works independently as a freelance executive, director, and advisor, with governance roles across telehealth, disability, and digital health. The thread through all of it is the same: connecting people who don't normally talk to each other and building something that holds. This conversation explores how Scott thinks about ecosystem leadership, the human skills that hold a sector together, and what digital health can teach the rest of us about leading through complexity.

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AI Consulting in New Zealand: What to Expect in 2026
Ben Walker Ben Walker

AI Consulting in New Zealand: What to Expect in 2026

AI adoption in Aotearoa has moved fast. By 2025, over 80% of New Zealand organisations reported using AI in some form. That sounds impressive until you look closer. Among businesses with fewer than 200 employees, nearly half have no plans to adopt AI at all. And of those that have started, many are stuck in pilot mode: a ChatGPT subscription here, a Copilot licence there, but nothing connected to how the business actually runs.

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